Monday, February 2, 2009

The Office: (Ricky Gervais version clearly)....

UPDATE # 1
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[From Yahoo Message Board, but appeared in mainstream press]
    
For everyone who keeps saying "don't give these UBS bums their end-of-year compensation, they have nowhere to go," you might want to think again.

Today's Daily Deal reported that two high-level UBS bankers have just departed for more "friendly" climates.

1. Jon Bass, the Fixed Income banker who told his boss to "sod off" last week and left the UBS trading floor to a standing ovation, took all of 36 hours to land a new gig. Wow. Rough employment market for a bum, huh?  DD reported BTIG LLC will launch a fixed income group of 60 people and Bass and a former Citi executive will head the group. Who thinks he even had time to get to the Unemployment Office last week in between fielding phone calls with new offers?  The net of it all is that Mr. Bass found employment and a paycheck, and UBS (and its shareholders) lost his production on its income statement.  Sorry, who won that battle?
Key Question #1:  How many of those 60 new people will be coming from UBS?!!!   Non-solicit agreement?  Don't make us laugh.  Every banker knows as long as you make the first out-bound call to your old boss, UBS won't be able to touch him.

2. Robert Gillespie will join Evercore Partners as a Senior Managing Director in London. A young star you wonder? Gillespie was with UBS for 27 years, but most bankers at UBS will tell you that he is certainly not a "star" (at least no longer) and is anything but "young." Just goes to show even the has-beens will find great new gigs. 
Key Question #2:  If somebody who has been there for 27 years--and was one of the ORIGINAL bankers who built the franchise from nothing--chooses to leave, what does that tell you about the climate at UBS?  Let's admit that someone with 27 years in residence has some inside information, so if Mr. Gillespie has determined UBS is not a great place to END a career, what do his actions imply about UBS as a place to START a career right now?! 

If one thing is certain on Wall Street, this trickle cold become a full-fledged flood in no time flat....


UPDATE # 2
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UBS' Investment Bank has basically just notified its investment bankers that they are a very unique breed, indeed, on Wall Street in that they all worked for free in 2008 and will be getting no year-end compensation.  So, you'd imagine that the stellar management of the firm must be completely cutting any and all expenses that are not deemed absolutely crucial, right?  Uh, not really.  We've learned that the modern day equivalent of the  "Partners Lunch in the Executive Dining Room" continues for the bank's big shots.  From what we've seen/heard, UBS apparently continues to offer a catered lunch--gratis--a couple/few times a week for the firm's Managing Directors; think hot entrees or sushi, bone china, real silverware, real linens.    Again, you couldn't make this up if you tried!  Maybe they should be offering that for the poor kids just out of university they're about to stiff, or to their admins getting by on USD$35k a year?!   Apparently, to their credit, more than a few MDs have been embarrassed that this continues and few turn up on any given day.  Maybe these MDs all kept mum lest they arrest the gravy train or jeopardize that big check they were expecting.  No risk of that any longer as we know.  In any event, who the hell is the "UBS cost czar" approving that?!!!

UPDATE # 3
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In re post below from UBSdude:  your point is noted.  

The prior observation was largely targeted at "new recruits" (as you put it) that UBS is throwing money at hand over fist to lure from Morgan Stanley, Citi, Merrill Lynch and elsewhere.  We've heard also the scores of talented Wealth Management advisers who have been doing same for UBS for several years already are irate, and thinking about leaving (probably only to get lured back by the dumb money in a few weeks time).

UBSdude has rightly pointed out that "resentment" is a genie not easily returned to the proverbial bottle.

1.  The entire Investment Bank is irate with Switzerland, which took its gross margin at the Investment Bank (before its writeoffs for all the dumb crap in Fixed Income that the Board missed and before accruals for criminal indictments and fines in Wealth Management, as we noted previously) from a typical 50% on Wall Street in 2007 to 95% in 2008.  Oversimplified?  Sure.  But you get the point.  There is virtually no labor cost in there this year. 

2.  The entire Investment Bank is irate that Switzerland is spending like drunken sailors to get any Wealth Management advisor cast off by Morgan, Merrill or Citi that has a pulse and ten clients.

3.  The Investment Bankers are now glaring at each other wondering, "does THAT guy/gal have a guaranteed contract?!    Rule of thumb:  Anyone who says, "we all just need to calm down," OR "we have to keep this thing together," OR "we'll be OK when we come through on the other side"--yes, THAT guy/gal has a guaranteed contract!!!

President Obama ought to learn something here, if he's not as thick as UBS' management.  If you allow (or dare we say ENCOURAGE) resentment to gain a footing and infighting to break out in a time of crisis (think "Wall Street" against "Main Street"; "Rich" against "Middle Class; "Taxpayers" against "NonTaxpayers"; "Gay" against "Straight") once great institutions can unravel in the blink of an eye.

Will UBS wake up in time, reverse the disastrous course it has set itself on, and manage to save a great institution before its too late?  If they don't do/say something before February 10th to quell the unrest, it may be too late for "You & Us"  
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UBSdude said...

Pretty good read, but I must say the idea that WM people are getting fat bonuses is entirely laughable. In comparison to IB - maybe. But still pretty crappy. For WMUS home office employees bonuses are down anywhere from 40-70% from last year - and they were pretty crappy last year too. Not to mention the caps on bonus and claw back and deferrment. 

Also, for years the IB has been getting fat bonuses especially compared to WM. Did they deserve them at the time? Possibly - but look what it caused in the long run.

Not saying the IB situtation doesn't suck terribly. It sure does, but to paint a picture that WM people are getting fat bonuses is just wrong. Only the the brokers who are "New Recruits" are getting big paydays. It appears this may also be causing resentment in the non-new recruit brokers too btw.

23 comments:

  1. check your facts

    Robert Gillespie did not "just leave" UBS recently. He left almost 5 months ago back in September 2008.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Robert-Gillespie-Joins-prnews-14221230.html

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  2. there is no Jon Bass working for UBS, nor any male J% Bass or anything similar dude

    makes me assume the rest of u'r posting is crap too I guess

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  3. UBS has been run by a bunch of profit-at-the-expense-of-probity p*llocks for at least 11 years. This in my humble opinion. Borne of bitter experience. They don't own a rule book, far less play by one, so it isn't surprising that they're ducking and diving their way out of their obligations now. IB/Wealth Management? Bonuses as retention and inducement to hang around? Ahem, could we see some joined-up strategy somewhere in this benighted banking hole sometimes soon? You want ethics and honesty in banking? Give UBS a wide berth if you want to work for decent folk. In my opinion, a wider one than all the others, even. It's all about big guys maximising their earnings at the expense of the worker bees. On what they think will bring in the most dosh for their fat cat parachutes pdq. Always has been. Hence their parlous performance.

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  4. this guy is totally full of shit

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  5. Pimp: As long as you ain't talkin' about me, sweetie... But hey, explain why you'd think so. We're interested.

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  6. well for starters, donny deutsche and obama are hardly "market sages"

    UBS has openly said they are shutting down some business units within the IB while emphasizing client serving businesses. this original post is obviously from someone getting screwed by that decision.

    UBS IB will not shut down or get sold in a fire sale. They will do exactly what they said they are going to do and have actually done. Yes, some people will leave on march 2nd after bonus are actually paid on the 1st, but not anywhere near what you expect.

    if you actually work there or know anyone there then just ring their desk after 8 PM. (on the corp. fin side). they are there, working, which is not what I'd be doing if I was about to defect.

    to sum it up, angry people who got screwed can anonymously write anything about their future former employer on the internet... like this post.

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  7. "guaccamoly said...

    there is no Jon Bass working for UBS, nor any male J% Bass or anything similar dude"

    THAT'S BECAUSE HE RESIGNED AND LEFT DIPSHITE..Go to Wachovia..just Google it.

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  8. "pimp said...
    well for starters, donny deutsche and obama are hardly "market sages"..."

    at 6pm trading floor is virtualy empty and it has been this way for about two weeks... not sure where you are getting your information

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  9. T, I said IBD... call someone in IBD, you know, the business they ARENT SHUTTING DOWN ...

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  10. with obama's new compensation ceiling for the US banks (definitely Citi and BoA/Merrill) and other European banks having basically the same compensation package as UBS, the bankers really have no where better to go except boutiques, and only the best ones can do that. of course UBS will actually pay those bankers a bonus to stay on.

    yes, IBD is still very busy right now (for certain groups of course). 1st years are working till midnight at the earliest.

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  11. iwanttoleaveubs said...

    "THAT'S BECAUSE HE RESIGNED AND LEFT DIPSHITE"

    don't need to google, can check myself within UBS. Even if he had resigned he would still be in the systems I checked - hence just crap

    but hey, it's the internet, and everything it's written there must be true, right?

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  12. http://www.nypost.com/seven/02052009/business/ubs_to_diss_swiss_153654.htm

    a preview of 2/10 earnings report. not as horrendous as this blog's conspiracy theory predicts...

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  13. From that article... "According to sources, those cuts would result in a loss of as many as 9,000 jobs from the bank's payroll." Those cuts will most likely be support staff from IB, and IT to outsourced locations. I guess saving pennies adds up. I also predict a few key changes at the top tiers as UBS cycles through more CEO's.

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  14. 9,000 jobs just coming out of IT and other misc. support staff? Just how big are these departments within a company the size of UBS? That's a lot of people, no?

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  15. guaccamoly, you won't see inactive emlpoyees, use expertise search... He was an employee.

    Pimp, so by you rationale they must be shutting down all divisions on STM floor?

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  16. I never implied what business they ARE shutting down specifically... I know they are not shutting down Corp. Fin IBD.

    I will repeat myself once since you're having trouble understanding... they are minimizing their balance sheet risking businesses. Think about that real hard.

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  17. guaccamoly, You can find Jon Bass. If you are an employee, you will know how to do an advanced search which includes terminations. He is there. If you are not an employee, then you have no business searching through the system.

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  18. What about students who are about to intern at UBS during the summer? Is it still worth fighting for a full time place? Or should we give up now, and enjoy the summer?

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  19. by the time your summer internship will start, there will be much more clarity to the IBD situation at UBS and you can decide then if you want to work hard or not

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  20. Sorry. I seem to have phrased my question somewhat ambiguously, and it came out not as I intended it to.

    I didn't say anything about not working hard. Internship opportunities are very hard to come by, especially now, and as clichéd as it may sound, I will definitely put all my effort, commitment, and ability into the 10 week period in order to get the full time offer. Otherwise there would be no point in me being there.

    There are hundreds of students, who are as capable and competent as me, and there are thousands of ex-bankers on the streets who are much more competent and capable than I am, so it’s up me to prove that I can do it.

    But what I want to know is, will UBS be there in the summer? Or will it become a shell of its former self if the top traders/ salespeople/ bankers leave?

    The reason why I chose UBS was because it is the best at what I want to do, and he people there I’ve met were very nice, so I feel quite strongly about it – despite being an intern. But I guess as you’ve (the poster above) said, only the time will tell if…

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  21. edit: I've just read what I posted above, and I apologise for sounding so corporate and pretentious. I'm just emotional like probably you all are.

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  22. John Bass was marginalized and liquidated at BTIG within 6 months. Thereby is the lesson to you all. Stay happily chewing from the feedbag of corporate banking, rather than suffer the immediate chainsaw that is middle markets. Its tough and few mainline bankers can make it, even with the entire UBS client list and a full SO applause upon exit.

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